Unbrokered Agent Coordination w/ Alex Obadia

From Into AI Safety · 1:40:49

Show by Jacob Haimes

AI agents will eventually be able to negotiate deals, share information, and coordinate with systems in the physical world with little human involvement. What would it take to make those interactions secure, and what happens when agents don't share the same interests? Jacob is joined by Alex Obadia, program director of Scaling Trust at the UK's Advanced Research and Invention Agency (ARIA), to discuss the research and infrastructure needed for secure multi-agent coordination. They explore cryptography and privacy-preserving tools, the Arena testbed for observing agent behavior, and the decision to use profit as a measure of performance. They also consider the implications of these ideas in safety, accountability, and inequality.Chapters(00:00) - Intro (04:52) - Alex's Background (09:34) - Joining ARIA (13:39) - What is ARIA? (18:57) - The Three Tracks: Tools, Theory, and Testbed (24:01) - Salary Negotion Without Intermediaries (29:42) - Protecting People from Middlemen (34:39) - The Arena (40:29) - Does Profit Make Safety Second-Class? (54:38) - Who's Liable When an Agent Breaks a Deal? (01:02:53) - Do Agents Reduce Friction or Move It? (01:14:02) - Is Scaling Trust a Safety Program? (01:21:48) - Will Agents Magnify Inequality? (01:29:19) - ARIA's Freedom of Information Act Exemption (01:33:19) - How to Get Involved (01:39:16) - Outro LinksBelow are the most important links for this episode. For more, visit the episode page on Kairos.fm.Alex Obadia's websiteARIA Scaling Trust Programme websiteARIA report - Scaling Trust Programme ThesisScaling Trust blogpost - Without IntermediariesScaling Trust Arena spec - Scaling Trust Arena Spec

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