How to lead with 10,000 bosses - Jan Derck van Karnebeek
From Liberation Of Facilitation · 00:32:23
Show by Zeeger Scholten
Jan Derck van Karnebeek runs FrieslandCampina, a €13.4 billion company owned by the farmers who supply it. Roughly 10,000 of them. They're his shareholders, his suppliers and his bosses at the same time - which means almost nothing gets done by telling people what to do.So I asked him the question every sceptic asks: doesn't all that dialogue slow you down? He didn't give me the diplomatic answer. And then he gave me an example that still doesn't sound possible.We talk about what all of this does to leadership: how you move an organisation when authority alone won't carry it, how you hold the short term and the long term at once when tomorrow's milk price pays for someone's school books, and how much of it comes down to how you show up in the room.Near the end he said something about ambition that I'm still chewing on.A conversation about facilitating change from the top of a company that can't be run top-down.
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