#20 Moved Out of the Room | Jon Berger on Leadership
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Show by Gary Watts
What happens when you're not in the room?A big part of leadership isn't what happens when you're present, but what happens when you're not.How do you create the strategy, culture and conditions for an organisation to work well without you having to be there?In this episode, I'm joined by Jon Berger, leadership and organisation expert and regular contributor to tech podcast Asynchronous and Unreliable.Drawing on his experience of engineering leadership at Microsoft, Jon shares his leadership philosophy and evolution. We explore domain knowledge versus domain-agnostic leadership, the expert's trap, power versus leadership, and how AI agents might change the role of human leaders.Jon's book, What Happens When You're Not in the Room, is available in paperback on Amazon, with the Kindle edition launching 1 December 2026.Listen, subscribe and share Moved wherever you get your podcasts.
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