Higher Ed in the Age of AI: Rethinking Relevance & Results

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Send us Fan MailHigher Ed in the Age of AI: Rethinking Relevance & Resultswith Dr. Michael Hageloh & Dr. Bruce Fraser (Indian River State College)Episode SummaryThis week, Myles Biggs and Patrick Patterson sit down with two innovators who are shaping the future of higher education: Dr. Michael Hageloh and Dr. Bruce Fraser of Indian River State College in Florida.Together, they discuss how AI is disrupting higher ed, not as a technology problem, but as a change management challenge. From Steve Jobs’ lessons at Apple to democratizing knowledge in the classroom, Michael and Bruce share their experiences leading transformation at scale.They make the case that students are customers first, that knowledge is no longer scarce, and that AI, used wisely, can help colleges unlock creativity, adaptability, and epic wins for the next generation of learners.If you care about innovation, the future of education, or how to lead through massive change, this conversation is packed with insights.What You’ll Learn in This EpisodeHow Apple’s product philosophy shaped Michael’s approach to education leadershipWhy “customers don’t know what they want” still applies to students in 2025The death of the click economy and what it means for marketers & schoolsHow IRSC is using AI to move students from curiosity → enrollment → successThe role of fidelity (taste, judgment, human refinement) in an AI-driven worldWhy higher education must shift from “knowledge scarcity” to AI-abundant, collaborative learningPredictions for the future: apprenticeships, stackable credentials, and billion-dollar one-person companiesFeatured GuestsDr. Michael Hageloh – VP of Marketing at Indian River State College, former Apple executive, author, and change leader.Dr. Bruce Fraser – Faculty leader at IRSC with a background in psychology, epistemology, and AI research, specializing in organizational change and faculty development.Learn more:Indian River State College - https://www.irsc.edu/IRSC AI Thought Leadership Article: The Death of the Click Economy - https://medium.com/@michaelhageloh/the-death-of-the-click-economy-how-ai-is-altering-human-agency-and-commerce-533e9ac6aeb4Takeaways for Operators & LeadersAI adoption is a change management problem, not a tech problem. Leaders need to prepare their organizations for cultural and structural adaptation, not just tool rollouts.Democratization changes the business model. Just as iTunes democratized music, generative AI democratizes knowledge; leaders must rethink what unique value their institutions or companies add.Customers (and students) don’t always know what they want. Leaders must guide people through a journey, painting the vision before delivering the product.Entry-level work is evolving. Education and employers must fill the gap with apprenticeships and practical, AI-augmented learning to prepare talent for higher-value roles faster.Connect With the ShowLevel Agency - https://www.level.agency/Patrick Patterson’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattersonwork/Myles Biggs’ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mylesjbiggs/How to Support the ShowSubscribe so you never miss an episode.Share this episode with someone wrestling with GenAI adoption.Rate & review if it brings value, helps us reach more listeners!About the ShowGood Enough Isn't is a podcast from Level Agency, a digital marketing agency, about the hard truths behind business growth and the people who refuse to settle for "good enough."Listen and SubscribeApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/good-enough-isnt/id1834694172Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6S3C2V2fUxs7x4hpuq7jWfConnect With the ShowLevel Agency: https://www.level.agencyMyles Biggs' LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mylesjbiggs/Patrick Patterson's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattersonwork/Brad Stephenson's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradpstephenson/How to Support the ShowSubscribe so you never miss an episode.Share it with someone who would get value from it.Rate and review if it brings you value. It helps more listeners find us.

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