When Real Estate Gets Real
By Stephen Lee-Thomas
Categories: Business, Entrepreneurship, Investing
When Real Estate Gets Real is a behind-the-scenes podcast for real estate operators who’ve already closed a deal and discovered that the spreadsheets weren’t the hard part. Hosted by Stephen Lee-Thomas, the show explores what actually changes after the first close when real money, real investors, and real pressure enter the picture. Each episode goes beyond tactics to unpack the decisions, mistakes, leadership challenges, and personal growth that define the shift from “I did a deal” to “I’m a real operator now.” This podcast is for operators past their first close who want truth over hype, clarity over noise, and systems that support long-term scale.
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Recent episodes
- Private Money vs. Hard Money: A Better Way to Fund Real Estate Deals with Jay Conner
The worst time to start raising money for a real estate deal is when you already need the money. In Episode 13 of When Real Estate Gets Real, I sit down with Jay Conner, known as the Private Money Authority, to break down an alternative approach to funding real estate deals. Jay started investing…
- From IT to Multifamily Real Estate: How Hugo Macau Is Scaling His Portfolio!
How do you scale a real estate portfolio while maintaining a full-time career, raising a family, and preparing to take on bigger multifamily deals? In Episode 12 of When Real Estate Gets Real, I sat down with Hugo Macau, Managing Partner of Forest Estate LLC Commercial Real Estate, to talk about…
- How Investors Use HELOCs to Buy More Real Estate with Benjamin Stef
Most homeowners are sitting on untapped equity without realizing it. In this episode of When Real Estate Gets Real, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with mortgage advisor and investor-focused lender Benjamin Stef to discuss how investors are using Home Equity Lines of Credit (HELOCs) to fund deals…
- Real Estate Syndication, Capital Raising, and the Truth About Multifamily Investing
Real estate investing looks simple online but what happens when you actually start raising capital, managing investor expectations, and underwriting multifamily deals? In this episode of When Real Estate Gets Real, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with Ray Woods, a real estate investor, engineer…
- From Millionaire to Starting Over: Real Estate Lessons That Actually Matter
What happens when you make millions early… then lose almost everything? In this episode of When Real Estate Gets Real, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with Lawrence Dunning former MMA fighter turned real estate broker, investor, and developer who shares his raw, unfiltered journey through success…
- What Multifamily Investors Need to Know About Debt and Capital Raising
Commercial real estate has changed dramatically over the last few years but is today’s market really like 2008? In this episode of When Real Estate Gets Real, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with Jacob Clopton, founder and president of Clopton Capital, to unpack what’s happening in commercial real…
- From House Hack to Multifamily: Why Scaling Alone Doesn’t Work
Most real estate investors start the same way solo, figuring it out, and trying to scale on their own. But what happens when that model stops working? In this episode, Stephen sits down with Jared Mickley, a Marine Corps helicopter pilot and multifamily asset manager, to break down his journey…
- The Truth About Real Estate Partnerships, Failure, and Finding Your Lane
What happens when corporate “security” disappears overnight? In this episode, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with Mike Deaton, co-founder of Flipping Dirt, to break down his journey from being laid off at Microsoft to building a land flipping business with over 700 deals completed. Mike shares how…
- How to Find Your Real Estate Superpower with Will Harvey
What happens when you realize you like real estate — but not the part everyone assumes you should be doing? In this episode of When Real Estate Gets Real, Stephen Lee Thomas talks with Will Harvey of Harvey Capital about his path from mortgage lending to flipping houses, passive investing, and…
- What Really Happens After Your First Real Estate Deal
In this episode of When Real Estate Gets Real, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with John Todderud of Cardinal Oak Investments to unpack the reality behind multifamily investing once the deal is done. From managing tenants and operations to navigating investor expectations and market headwinds, this…
- What Keeps Commercial Real Estate Deals Alive in a Down Market?
What actually keeps a commercial real estate deal alive when the market turns against you? In this episode of When Real Estate Gets Real, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with Will Curtis, a commercial real estate broker out of San Antonio who has been involved in more than $1 billion in transactions…
- The Real Truth About Multifamily Syndication (What New Investors Miss)
Multifamily investing isn’t what most people think. In this episode, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with William Liu, a multifamily syndicator and former CMO, to break down what really happens when you step into the role of an operator. From raising capital to managing investor expectations and…
- Multifamily Market Cycles Explained: From 3 Years of Pain to What Comes Next
The multifamily market has gone through one of the most challenging cycles in decades but are we finally at the bottom? In this episode, Stephen Lee Thomas sits down with Neal Bawa, the “mad scientist of multifamily,” to break down exactly where we are in the current market cycle and what comes…
- How to Build Credibility, Raise Capital & Scale Faster: Turn Your Podcast into a Capital-Raising Machine, Featuring Dave Dubeau
In Episode 26 of The Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we talk multifamily real estate with Dave Dubeau, who has helped countless capital raisers generate millions in committed capital, not by chasing investors, but by attracting them. Dave shares his unique journey from language school entrepreneur in…
- How to Escape the Stock Market with Passive Apartment Investing: Lon Welsh Manages $100M+ in Real Estate: A Smarter Way to Retire!
In Episode 25 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we talk multifamily real estate with Lon Welsh, who has scaled over $100 million in assets under management. Lon shares his journey from strategy consultant at Deloitte and Accenture to founding Your Castle Real Estate and eventually transitioning into…
- From W-2 to Wealth: 9 Lessons for Apartment Investing Success, Scale Smart Today!
In this solo episode of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, I shared 9 powerful lessons that I learned from nearly a decade of apartment investing. If you're just starting out or looking to level up, these actionable insights will help you fast-track your journey, avoid costly mistakes, and build…
- How to Raise Capital by Becoming the Bank: Eddie Speed Reveals the Passive Income Advantage
In Episode 24 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we talk multifamily real estate alternatives with Eddie Speed, who has completed over 50,000 note deals and is a pioneer in the note investing space. Eddie is the founder of NoteSchool and president of Colonial Funding Group. He shares his remarkable…
- Secrets to Raising Capital & Compressing Time in Real Estate: Ginger Faith’s Blueprint for Fast-Tracking Success
In Episode 23 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we talk multifamily real estate with Ginger C. Faith, who has scaled her residential and commercial portfolio over three decades, flipping 57 homes including two featured on HGTV and recently venturing into large commercial assets. Ginger shares her…
- The Beginner’s Guide to Apartment Investing: Start Smart, Scale Fast
In this solo episode of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, I break down the exact 3-step blueprint to get started in apartment investing, even if you're brand new and still working a full-time job. You'll learn why the first step isn’t about tactics, it’s about mindset. I'll walk you through Robert…
- From Job Loss to Financial Freedom: Janice Greenley’s Journey to 152 Units
In Episode 22 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we talk multifamily real estate with Janice Greenley, founder of Greenroot Capital, who has scaled her portfolio to 152 units in assets under management. Janice shares her journey from being a headhunter to becoming a full-time real estate investor…
- Building a $500M Real Estate Lending Empire: Ruben Izgelov on Shifting from Risk to Reward
In Episode 21 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we talk multifamily real estate and private lending with Ruben Izgelov, who has scaled his portfolio to over $500 million in assets under management. Ruben shares his incredible journey from humble beginnings as an immigrant in Queens, NY, to…
- How to Buy Real Estate on Your Own Terms: Chris Prefontaine’s Insider Strategies
In Episode 20 of The Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we dive deep into creative real estate investing with Chris Prefontaine, founder of Smart Real Estate Coach, 4-time best-selling author, and Forbes Business Council member. With over 33 years of experience, Chris has weathered multiple market cycles…
- From Wholesaling to 136 Units: Eric Lindsey’s Proven Multifamily Game Plan
In Episode 19 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we talk multifamily real estate with Eric Lindsey, who has scaled his portfolio to 136 units as a general partner. Eric shares his journey from wholesaling single-family homes to building a sustainable investment career through mobile home parks and…
- Revolutionizing Property Ownership: The Rise of Tokenized Real Estate with Ricardo Johnson
In Episode 18 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we dive into the future of real estate investing with Ricardo Johnson, founder of Oases, a pioneering platform that leverages blockchain technology to make real estate investment more accessible. Through tokenized co-ownership, Ricardo is…
- The Art of Capital Raising: How to Attract Investors & Build Trust - Lance Pederson’s Proven Strategy
In Episode 17 of the Stephen Lee-Thomas Show, we dive deep into capital raising, investor trust, and AI-driven deal analysis with Lance Pederson. Lance shares his journey from selling an IT services company at 21 to managing a $300M+ equity fund and helping over 200 sponsors launch investment…
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