Sarah Chayes (Audio): The Anatomy of Corruption
From The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments · 57:49
Show by Podcasters David Jones & Dr Naomi Murphy
Writer and former NPR correspondent Sarah Chayes joins David Jones and Naomi Murphy to discuss how corruption operates as a system—not merely as isolated acts of misconduct. Drawing on her reporting in Afghanistan, her work advising senior US military commanders, and her books The Punishment of Virtue and Thieves of State, Chayes describes the networks that link money, power and political influence. She reflects on the risks faced by people who challenge corrupt systems, how public trust can erode, and why corruption should not be treated as a problem confined to other countries. The conversation also explores her changing perspective on public institutions, the limits of reform, and where she finds hope in imagining new ways for society to relate to the living world. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/585789/on-corruption-in-america-by-sarah-chayes/ In this episode How Chayes came to study corruption in Afghanistan and beyond Why corruption can function as a connected system The personal and professional costs of standing up for integrity How corruption shapes public trust and political participation What her work taught her about reform—and its limits Why she is looking toward more creative ways of understanding our place in the world
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